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		<title>By: Bygiessenvini</title>
		<link>http://www.inside-oracle-apex.com/reply-to-amis-query-on-apex-and-adf-posting/comment-page-1/#comment-97731</link>
		<dc:creator>Bygiessenvini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 09:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We ought to help poor states, because even small help can save someone&#8217;s life. Look: <a href="http://www.tunezja-wakacje-last-minute.net.pl/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="liexternal">tunezja wakacje</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You aren&#039;t kidding about companies balking at the cost of Oracle ADF not to mention Oracle dependencies but I don&#039;t see much difference with the old and new application development frameworks that come and go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You aren&#8217;t kidding about companies balking at the cost of Oracle ADF not to mention Oracle dependencies but I don&#8217;t see much difference with the old and new application development frameworks that come and go.</p>
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		<title>By: Manu Goel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manu Goel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post Patrick! And I couldn&#039;t agree more with you. Although there is no denying the strategic importance of ADF and Oracle&#039;s commitment to it, to say that applications built using Oracle Apex are in any way inferior to those built in ADF would in my opinion be totally incorrect. Both Apex and ADF serve overlapping but slightly different purposes and the direction that an organization takes really depends on the amount of money it is willing to spend. 

We have been working with Apex since v1.5 and I can tell you, I have yet to come across a web based application requirement that we weren&#039;t able to meet using Apex including large-scale enterprise class applications. 

We have built a number of applications tightly integrated with Oracle EBS using both the EBS security and Oracle Single Sign-On. We even have implemented applications providing single sign-on like functionality when using just standard EBS security. Other applications have implemented custom security or LDAP depending upon requirements. 

The point to understand here is that at the very least, whatever can be done in the database can be done using Apex and the Oracle database is very very powerful. The fact that Apex runs PL/SQL makes it only that much easier to use; at least as far as I have experienced. In other words, Apex has all the power of the database and the web combined. What cannot be achieved within the db can usually be done with straight HTML, JavaScript or if nothing else, an external component - any component (including flash, java or web services). 

The belief that Apex applications published to the internet are not secure is also a pretty big mis-conception. I&#039;ve had a number of customers who&#039;ve balked at the idea of publishing apex applications and I&#039;ve spent countless hours trying to convince them of the security. It is just a matter of architecting (is that even a word?) the environment correctly. There&#039;s a number of ways security can be achieved depending upon the budget and the criticality of the app. Encrypt database connections, put in a reverse proxy, implement the apache webserver in a DMZ, etc. 
 
The only issues that I have seen till now have been the inability publish web services and the lack of a version control mechanism to support large development teams. The former has been mitigated somewhat by Oracle 11g. The latter still remains a problem; but hey, nothing is perfect, right?


Manu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post Patrick! And I couldn&#8217;t agree more with you. Although there is no denying the strategic importance of ADF and Oracle&#8217;s commitment to it, to say that applications built using Oracle Apex are in any way inferior to those built in ADF would in my opinion be totally incorrect. Both Apex and ADF serve overlapping but slightly different purposes and the direction that an organization takes really depends on the amount of money it is willing to spend. </p>
<p>We have been working with Apex since v1.5 and I can tell you, I have yet to come across a web based application requirement that we weren&#8217;t able to meet using Apex including large-scale enterprise class applications. </p>
<p>We have built a number of applications tightly integrated with Oracle EBS using both the EBS security and Oracle Single Sign-On. We even have implemented applications providing single sign-on like functionality when using just standard EBS security. Other applications have implemented custom security or LDAP depending upon requirements. </p>
<p>The point to understand here is that at the very least, whatever can be done in the database can be done using Apex and the Oracle database is very very powerful. The fact that Apex runs PL/SQL makes it only that much easier to use; at least as far as I have experienced. In other words, Apex has all the power of the database and the web combined. What cannot be achieved within the db can usually be done with straight HTML, JavaScript or if nothing else, an external component &#8211; any component (including flash, java or web services). </p>
<p>The belief that Apex applications published to the internet are not secure is also a pretty big mis-conception. I&#8217;ve had a number of customers who&#8217;ve balked at the idea of publishing apex applications and I&#8217;ve spent countless hours trying to convince them of the security. It is just a matter of architecting (is that even a word?) the environment correctly. There&#8217;s a number of ways security can be achieved depending upon the budget and the criticality of the app. Encrypt database connections, put in a reverse proxy, implement the apache webserver in a DMZ, etc. </p>
<p>The only issues that I have seen till now have been the inability publish web services and the lack of a version control mechanism to support large development teams. The former has been mitigated somewhat by Oracle 11g. The latter still remains a problem; but hey, nothing is perfect, right?</p>
<p>Manu</p>
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		<title>By: jack parler</title>
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		<dc:creator>jack parler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really liked your blog!</description>
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